Widmore Travelling Economy class?

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Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by Perry » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:03 pm

Well there's not too many other people that could be behind all these setups.
Aaron stolen?
Hurley aboard.
Sayid in custody.
Ben bashed.
Lapidus the pilot.
If Widmore wanted a way onto the island, he would to set all of this up, and get on the plane himself.
So I think he was slumming it up in Economy class at the back of that flight.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by David3 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:28 pm

I first thought was that Ben arranged for Hurley and Sayid. I figured the lawyer told Hurley about the flight and that the person who has Sayid in custody is working for Ben.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by Stephen » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:14 pm

How did Kate get on the plane?

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by whir » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:25 pm

Stephen wrote:How did Kate get on the plane?
You mean Guam is OUTSIDE California?

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Post by David3 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:40 pm

Nobody recognizes you when you're wearing sun glasses.

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Post by whir » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:41 am

Actually, since I really didn't buy the trial in Eggtown anyway, I don't even care if they let this one go. Fine with me if she walks right on the plane. I just don't want to think about Kate's legal status anymore and am not interested in seeing any scenes about it. I lost interest in Kate as Fugitive long ago. I may very well be alone in this thinking.

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There is one acceptable scene I would watch:

[Scene opens with Ben in nondescript location]

Ben: My lawyer got a judge to grant Kate permission to go to Guam.

[End Scene]

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by Stephen » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:06 am

Guam is an anagram for "A mug", clearly a reference to Kate's mugshot photo that Jack finds in season 1.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by David3 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:01 am

And people claim the writers make it up as they go along.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by Savard » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:03 pm

Wow, I loved this episode!

Actually I thought, that them all being on the same plane was "destiny" or "the island" taking matters into its own hands. But I kinda like the idea, that Widmore set this up, yet I don't think it's true. I mean the losties can be pretty sure they can survive the crash, as they are "supposed to" return to the island. But widmore!? there's a pretty good chance he would not survive the crash. I don't think he's "supposed" to return, beacuse in that case he would have already made it somehow I think.

OTOH this would explain why anyone would try to fly from LA to Guam on a Boeing 737-900, which is a guarantee you will end up in the pacific ocean somewhere ;)

My bet still is, it's simply destiny or the island uniting the six.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by Perry » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:09 pm

Savard wrote:My bet still is, it's simply destiny or the island uniting the six.
I'm sorry but there's no way they could expect anyone to believe that it was destiny that they all showed up for this flight, although it seems you do.

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Post by Savard » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:36 pm

Perry wrote: I'm sorry but there's no way they could expect anyone to believe that it was destiny that they all showed up for this flight, although it seems you do.

Yes, I do! ;)

It was my first thought, and I'll still stick with that theory. Especially with how Locke's suicide note seemed to be returning to Jack to be read... Well, I wmay be wrong (obviously), but I wouldn't be dissappointed if this was actually the "explanation".

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by whir » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:15 am

To Perry:

It's was their destiny (to some degree) just by the pure fact that they did show up on the flight. The question is whether man has any free will or if it is all predetermined.

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What I'm trying to say is the destiny does not preclude conscious choice. Even if they all decided to go with what the think is their free will, doesn't mean they actually have free will. Destiny is not the same as happenstance.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by Perry » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:23 am

Well what I'm saying is that it's not just a coincidence that they all wanted to take a vacation to Guam on that flight.
Clearly they had free will, but someone has convinced them to take the flight.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by whir » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:43 am

Perry wrote:Well what I'm saying is that it's not just a coincidence that they all wanted to take a vacation to Guam on that flight.
Clearly they had free will, but someone has convinced them to take the flight.
It's kinda what I thought you meant, I was just being a bit uptight about the semantics. I'm not quite sure what the message of this show is going to be when it comes to the idea of free will vs. determinism.

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Re: Widmore Travelling Economy class?

Post by CorpsesAndChaos » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:05 pm

if Widmore had the address to Ms. Hawking - why did he ever waste money on the black rock journal - in like 1998 or whatever - to find the island and why was he "searching for it" for so long when they had a DHARMA station in LA to do it since the 50s?

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